Ethel and Dawn
In Podcast No. 73, we pay tribute to Sandi Toksvig, Neil Buchanan and Andrea Arnold as our weekly bulletin from the frontline of current affairs and cysts reaches the same number as their fictional early-to-mid-80s house. In it, we fail to discuss Michael Jackson's fourth child or swine flu, preferring instead to talk about Mr and Mrs Herring's Golden Wedding, the stupid Steve Redgrave/Jonathan Edwards Aquavision advert, the stupid Chris Hoy Bran Flakes advert on the inside of my gym locker door, the shadowy figure of Orange Mark, giraffes looking through the window, the delights of the Edinburgh Fringe catalogue, taking 40 minutes to put on a special swimsuit using unguent, the man-lady ratio in Nottingham, and the fate of Richard's pus-baby. Don't forget to support your local festival by visiting http://www.rhythmfestival.net, our worthy sponsors (who are generously giving money to our chosen charities, Scope and Thomas's Fund, for every ticket they sell because of us)
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If Richard's doing material about Hitler and the growth on his back maybe he should rename his show Nemecyst
Ben
Oi, Collins! You was luvverly on 6music yesterday. Nice bit of Jim Bob. Nice bit of Traffic. One very happy painter & decorator here.
Wish they'd get you back regular, like. I would post this message on the 6music message boards, but they've gorn and banned me. Got any more BBC gigs lined up?
Yrs
The Fist of Onan
I'm back on 6 Music for the next two Saturdays: 1400-1800 (covering for Jon Holmes and Lauren Laverne both weeks).
And I'm covering for Mark Kermode on 5 Live, 1500-1600 on Aug 7 and Aug 28. (And on BBC News, July 31, Aug 7 and Aug 14.)
So, yes, Fist, quite a lot of BBC action, due to people being on holiday. Fine by me.
In referring to Toksvig et al on 'No. 73' you overlooked another presenter called Kim Goody, sometime recording artist and co-presenter of Mick Robertson's Children's ITV staple of the period 'Freetime', which ran a feature in a December 1982 programme highlighting the plight of children from the Thorplands estate in Northampton, whose adventure playground had been closed after various incidents of fire, vandalism and lack of funding from Northampton Development Corporation.
Have that.
I just listened to the pod and regarding Jewishness, from what I've read, Judaism is a religion but you don't need to believe in it to be a Jew. You don't have to believe in God at all to be a Jew. It's more like a kind of nationality. This is from an article in Haaretz you can read here.
The term "Jewish" is a term that signifies national identity rather than religious identity. Even in the Halakha (Jewish law), it is said that a Jew is anyone who was born to a Jewish mother, and nowhere does it require a Jew to believe in the Torah to be considered a Jew.
Therefore, if we want to be logically accurate, the word Jew can't be listed among the words Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, but rather one would have to say "religious Jew" or "practicing Jew" to put it among the same ranks. Logically, the word Jew belongs much more among terms like French, Chinese or English. The Jewish faith is an optional part of being a Jew, just as Catholicism or Christianity is an optional part of being an Italian or English, or the way Islam is optional for Egyptians. This has been absolutely proven over the last 200 years of Jewish secularism.
In fact to qualify for the right of return and settlement in Israel you just need to have a Jewish grandmother because that's the criteria Hitler used to identify Jews.
Although there's genetic links between Jews, they share those with other groups in the region. In fact some have argued that many Palestinians will be descended from Jews who converted to Islam when the muslims took over. It's difficult to define them as a seperate race.
An ethnic group and even a race is basically whatever you want it to be, hence 'White Irish', White European', it's pretty meaningless.
So is it racist to hate Jews or value British lives over muslim ones? The term has been bastardised to be a general term for discrimination on the basis of otherness. I've heard people describe Andy Murray as racist because he once joked that he didn't want England to win football matches.
I suppose prejudice is the only word you can use reliably but describing some as prejudicial or prejudicious doesn't sound quite right to me. I did think about finding another word. Alterity is a word meaning otherness so I thought about alterism as discrimination based on otherness but I doubt it will catch on. It doesn't exactly roll off the tongue and sounds a bit like altruism or altruist if you say it quickly.
Anyway, there's my dull comment for the day :)
Having just listened to the podcast I think it is ironic that Andrew Collins was slagging off people who do voiceovers while publicising his audio book which is in essence a 5 hour long voice over is it not?
What an interesting - and wrong - comparison. We weren't "slagging off" those who do voiceovers, we were discussing whether Dave Gorman lending his voice to Homebase was "just a job" (ie. lending his voice to an advert) or something more subtly persuasive (ie. lending tacit approval to the shop for those who recognise his voice and respect his work).
To call an audiobook of my own book a 5 hour long voiceover is either deliberately provocative, or dim. It is the product itself. If is not an advert. It exists as a stand-alone item. Hey, maybe you just left the comment to annoy me. Well done, you.
Afternoon Andrew,
Will make a start on the podcast today but found myself getting extremely nostalgic thinking about No73. Born in 1974 I was probably the right age for the show and have fond memories of Roger Ramjet (he's our man, hero of the nation..) and the sandwich quiz. Kids tv doesnt seem to make the effort as much as it used to.
yes! I got mentioned again, andrew said "he seems quite nice actually, the bloke who implied and actually wasn't accusing me of being racist"
(51:01-51:25)
my original point was to empathise with the invaded muslim people, not view things from a western imperialist nationalistic view. Muslims see their culture being attacked globally; Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Iran, Sudan, Somalia, Urumqi.
what the west is doing to Islam now is similar to what the nazis did to the Jews, last time we were in the right, this time we are not. It is very easy for westerners to look back on WW2 rest on our laurels complacently saying we are the good guys criticising Germans. I still hear nationalist jokes with racist undertones like the hoy brankflakes ad on panel shows scorning france, germany, wales, scotland. even degrading North england.
People open your eyes this culture we are living in is under the grips of evil we have to do something or we are no better than the Nazi concentration camp guards just following orders just doing our jobs. Western capitalism is spreading like a virus, it killed communism, is killing islam, it will kill the 4th world where bruce Parry goes and if we dont stand up now will soon kill the earth.
maybe david icke was right the shadow people are at work here...
Erm... I was in The Devonshire pub in Balham the other day. Somebody had written COLLINGS IS A BUMMER in pen on one of the toilet walls.
Yours Confusedly,
Tasty Morsels
In regards to you and Dave Gorman having a similar voice, I remember when I first listened to Banter (long ago, before I'd stumbled onto Stewart Lee's wikipedia page, through which I stumbled onto Herring's through which I found the podcast) thinking
"this presenter sounds like Dave Gorman, but it's not. He's like a poorman's Dave Gorman". Possibly because I'd been listening to genius a lot.
I was wrong, you're not that similar in style. But I thought you might like to know that somebody else has heard a resemblance between you two.
Late to the podcast, but still moan, moan moan.
The Tim Vine pen bit that was recommended - remember Kenny Everett?
Then he becomes a prop comedian? Fucking hate mimes, jugglers, drag acts and prop comedians.
Wait, is a mustache a prop?
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